do not opt for medicaid expansion, they would not be eligible for medicaid or subsidies because the law limits those to people with incomes 100% or above. having spoken to my colleagues at kaiser about this issue who followed this issue more carefully than i have, they said cygnus -- secretary cbs has said these individuals would not be subject to mandate penalties if they lived in a state that did not expand medicaid and selling this coverage gap. >> would they be uninsured? >> presumably that would be -- >> the question really, do we know how many people could potentially be uninsured? >> we don't really have an estimate since we didn't factor this, our analysis was conducted prior to the supreme court for consideration of the case and the supreme court decision, but i believe there was another analysis done of this issue by the center for american progress. i am not sure which. there have been some recent analyses of this question looking at numbers potentially for those individuals who are living in states that have expressed lack of interest in expanding their medicaid program. >>